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StormDragonZ · Jan 25, 2008, 09:08 AM // 09:08

Maybe it's just me, but I hardly ever see Earth Magic Elementalists at all. Am I just that blind that I don't see any, or is Earth Magic really that much unloved?

zwei2stein · Jan 25, 2008, 09:13 AM // 09:13

Who needs player earth elementalists when we have Herta?

Pyro maniac · Jan 25, 2008, 09:15 AM // 09:15

and, the best skill in the earth line, ward against melee, can also be run on mesmers, necros or mind blast ele's

EPO Bot · Jan 25, 2008, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Geo is so underrated. My Keiko uses it all the time in RA.

Mechz · Jan 25, 2008, 10:31 AM // 10:31

Earth Magic is pretty common IMO. Not just wards, either.

distilledwill · Jan 25, 2008, 11:23 AM // 11:23

If you go into something like AB, every second Ele is a terra tank.

tmakinen · Jan 25, 2008, 01:17 PM // 13:17

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

If you go into something like AB, every second Ele is a terra tank.

... and that is great, as long as they are not on your side

Some pure earth builds are good for solo farming, other than that earth is more inclined towards utility and you'll find earth spells on a utility or dual purpose ele, and like solo farmers, there aren't too many of those in PUGs.

MarxF · Jan 25, 2008, 06:00 PM // 18:00

I think it has been pointed out thus far; most earth eles are:
-Terra tankers
-Terra variant for solo farming

There is no real reason to run earth magic. The aoe damage is also in fire, even better, and the spike power lies in air magic. Earth magic is nice with it's wards, but in a lot of areas (hm and pvp) you do not want to ball up like that: one aoe skill like savanah heat or meteor storm or ironicaly dragon stomp etc will totally devastate the entire team.

Wyat Hawke · Jan 25, 2008, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Well, if you want to use some of the nice wards earth magic has got to offer you, then go for a mind blast hybrid instead... Allows you to dish out some damage as well.

Dr Dimento · Jan 25, 2008, 07:49 PM // 19:49

You probably dont see them much because they're so busy soloing the game in hard mode.

The best skill in the earth magic line is ward against melee? Thats the funniest thing i've ever heard.

Try obsidian flesh, sliver armor, or stoneflesh aura for "best earth magic skill".

Stormlord Alex · Jan 25, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by Dr Dimento

You probably dont see them much because they're so busy soloing the game in hard mode.

The best skill in the earth magic line is ward against melee? Thats the funniest thing i've ever heard.

Try obsidian flesh, sliver armor, or stoneflesh aura for "best earth magic skill".

No, Ward against Melee is the best Earth Magic skill.

Defending yourself and your party > defending yourself.
Unless, of course, BSurgers in GvG suddenly started using Sliver Armour without anyone telling me

horseradish · Jan 25, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

I'd use Earth Magic if it wasn't outclasses by all the other elements.

Tyla · Jan 25, 2008, 10:24 PM // 22:24

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

No, Ward against Melee is the best Earth Magic skill.

This alone wins the thread, bravo Stormcloud!

KalleDamos · Jan 25, 2008, 10:42 PM // 22:42

I use Air and Water magic before anything else, Earth has potential but most people just go to eother Air(for spike damage) or fire( for Aoe) cause in both cases earth is outclasses, even though it was never ment to be offensive magic.

MarxF · Jan 25, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

This alone wins the thread, bravo Stormcloud!

Sarcasm radar is broken.

Ward vs. Melee is a very good skill, though very situational. It's a crap skill in any environment where the enemies are capable of:
-AoE nuking you to London and back
-Pull you out of the ball you have formed

This would thus mean it is unsuitable for:
-GvG in general (split > exit)
-RA (team will not stay in wards, plus high chance of savannah heat builds)
-PvE in hard mode in various areas.

Then again; there are no really good other earth skills that the team benefits from. Earth is fun for solo. And that is just that. If you want to provide block, Wand is a poor choise, take /mo and bring aegis.

Pyro maniac · Jan 25, 2008, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by MarxF

Sarcasm radar is broken.

Ward vs. Melee is a very good skill, though very situational. It's a crap skill in any environment where the enemies are capable of:
-AoE nuking you to London and back
-Pull you out of the ball you have formed

This would thus mean it is unsuitable for:
-GvG in general (split > exit)
-RA (team will not stay in wards, plus high chance of savannah heat builds)
-PvE in hard mode in various areas.

Then again; there are no really good other earth skills that the team benefits from. Earth is fun for solo. And that is just that. If you want to provide block, Wand is a poor choise, take /mo and bring aegis.

I don't get you

you know damage comes from physicall attackers? thus making Ward against melee good?

and using AoE damage as argument versus a ward is bad: AoE damage overall is kinda bad. If it is used, for example SH, it often comes with a snare to keep you in the area. However a ward is much larger then the AoE spells (which are all nearby).
And people don't use AoEDoT spells ...

CE Devilman · Jan 25, 2008, 11:27 PM // 23:27

Disrupting Stab vs Eruption ,Magnetic Aura

Riven Earth farming raptors to get my asura rank up

Stormlord Alex · Jan 26, 2008, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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Originally Posted by MarxF

Sarcasm radar is broken.

No, it isn't. I meant it.

Quote:

This would thus mean it is unsuitable for:
-GvG in general (split > exit)
-RA (team will not stay in wards, plus high chance of savannah heat builds)
-PvE in hard mode in various areas.

It's a well documented fact that no-one ever runs Ward vs Melee in GvG. Ever.
In fact, it was never at any point nerfed because of all the play it was decidedly not seeing at the highest levels of play, M I RITE?

DRGN · Jan 26, 2008, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by MarxF

Then again; there are no really good other earth skills that the team benefits from. Earth is fun for solo. And that is just that. If you want to provide block, Wand is a poor choise, take /mo and bring aegis.

Because those HM monsters with triple digit AoE melee skills don't hurt at all. And of course, Aegis is WAY better than something that can be kept up indefinitely, can't be Shatter fodder, and has half the cast time. Now, I advocate running both, frankly, but to say Ward Against Melee is too situational is just...wow. Tell that to a bunch of the top guilds, they'd be surprised.

hurdlebeast · Jan 26, 2008, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by Dr Dimento

You probably dont see them much because they're so busy soloing the game in hard mode.

The best skill in the earth magic line is ward against melee? Thats the funniest thing i've ever heard.

Try obsidian flesh, sliver armor, or stoneflesh aura for "best earth magic skill".

/agree. obi, sliver, and stoneflesh make one hell of a 55 terra tank. obi stops spells, sliver has 50% block +damage per attack, and stoneflesh negates all damage (on a 55'er) without slowdown. gotta love it.

edit: you can also mess around with a dual attuned, kinetic armor build w/stone daggers. keeps armor wayyy up there at high lvls.